Pariani saddles, made in Italy, are few and far between in the USA. They are beautifully made with very good quality leather. This particular saddle has 17ins stamped on the billet guard, but it definitely measures 16.5ins from the button to the center of the cantle. It has a good 3ins gullet width at the center of the gullet. These saddles can cost up to $4000 brand new.